In that time, weve pushed the industry forward with each product weve built, redefining whats possible. Mind you, I have chipless DSD with 1 bit processing, so the bar is set VERY high for me. Ill go through the modules included in the Discrete DAC and explain a little about each. It's pretty funny how everyone gives their personal pet recommendation with the utmost confidence that the buyer will like it. Sound Media Group Pty Ltd You might want to consideradding oneof Chord's Upscalers, either HugoM scaler, or the Blu Mk. Euphony Summus, EtherRegen, MSB Discrete. Once populated, the circuit boards are made into modules and then placed inside the casework. Will do. The Chord DAVE was also on my list, but I decided to pass (my Chord retailer was very 'pushy' and not helpful). Mike, Scott has been absolutely wonderful in his support, despite my purchasing the Found-Music 2A3s used (from Art S.) He has visited once and is planning another visit after the trip your way. You'll be shocked by how much you lose by going through a separate preamp. The Discrete is a genuine high fidelity DAC and a fabulously built one to boot, add in the modular input flexibility and you have a pretty stunning product with excellent future proofing. As the topic suggests, looking for comparisons on the above Dacs from people who have atleast heard and compared 2 of these dacs. This is THE place where audiophiles and audio companies discuss vintage, contemporary and new audio products, music servers, music streamers, computer audio, digital-to-analog converters, turntables, phono stages, cartridges, reel-to-reel tape machines, speakers, headphones and tube and solid-state amplification. All rights reserved. The end users ears are the only ears that count. @astewart8944--two years ago in Feb of 17 i did audition the original Formula dac in my system directly compared to the Lampizator GG 1.5 and the Nagra HD and preferred the Formula for its greater space, lower noise, and more neutral and fast presentation. I understand that audio stores and distribution companies have the opportunity to A/B a significant amount of equipment. The dCS Bartok was also interesting but, based on my research, I kept coming back to Bricasti. If so I'd recommend the Aqua Formula xHD and the TotalDAC d1-Seven. I hope you understand. As the noise in my system keeps getting lower, the PM2 keeps reaching deeper to find even more musical engagement and purity in standard 16/44 files. Thanks for the suggestions Wisnon. Anyway, I switched out the valve power amplifier and put in its place the Krell KST100 (all fully fettled and brought up to a better than new spec by Krell in the States) with my intention being to see what effect was the DAC and what was down to the amp basically isolating the effect to a component. Not sure why you would spend so much on a DAC when the Crane Song Solaris is available at $1,949. Once you start playing a tune the DAC works out the sample rate and chooses the correct playback clock. Given your appreciation of the Pacific Microsonics DAC, I hope you'll get a chance to hear the Berkeley in your system as well. I hope to also have an opportunity to listen to a T+A DAC8 (for DSD512) and a Chord Dave (DSD256) in my system soon (with HQPlayer). Rori is definitely welcome. Ok, I looked a prat but it proves that the separate PSUs are actually doing something rather than being there for show, though they do look rather cool in themselves. There is scale on bigger productions and intimacy on smaller-scale recordings and pieces, It wont make a pigs ear into a sows purse, but its majestic on really good recordings, Its very detailed but not harshly so actually, its a very easy component to fit in a system and live with, Its not cheap and you will want both PSUs once you compare with just one, No analogue inputs to make it the heart of a full system, You know that MSB have stuff that is out of reach financially and potentially better, Price: 11,000 plus 1,650 for a second power supply. Powered by Invision Community. The DAC has two modes; multi-bit PCM and single-bit discrete DSD mode. Bespoke Audio Ultimate Silver TVC passive preamp, Totaldac xlr version D1-Drivers x2, Eisteddfod 340 & 840 amps, Magico S5 speaker, MSB Select DAC, MSB Select Transport, Nakamichi 700 XLE cassette deck, Taiko Audio Extreme Server, Tripoint Troy Signature NG groundbox, PLiXiR Elite 1500 isolation transformers. Yes, you read that right, the Select DAC is the best part of 121,000! As you mentioned imaging better, incredible PRaT with MSB. The other stand out dacs that we like are the Many of these were already in a shootout on Audiogon with the same requirements - has to sound stellar on 16/44.1 tracks: I agree that the DAVE plus Blu 2 is spectacular, but not in a "hi fi" sense. Like x 5 List However, there is nothing wrong with "taking" recommendations, which help me build a list that I can use to research then find a way to audition my shortlist. Sources: Hiby R6, Fiio x3II, Fiio x5II DACs: Dave, Yggdrasil, Hugo, Hugo TT, U12. The only thing that I'd really like to see added here is an Aries Cerat. prefer to keep our test results among ourselves. Of the ones you mentioned I'd be most tempted by the Emm Labs DAC 2x though if you can get a used higher-end Esoteric, you should jump on it. Our publication is supported by its audience. You must log in or register to reply here. Well this is going to set the cat amongst the pigeons for sure. And the Jeff Rowland Aeris DAC with new PSU. If you currently have an MSB DAC or amplifier that you lovebut are looking to experience more from your systemplease reach out to your local dealer. for instance, the Select II is modular (customers can easily change modules in seconds)so it has the ability to quickly modify its inputs to allow for optimization of various interfaces. But it need good system matching. I'm not an absolutist, and frankly, I could be happy with any of the DACs I mentioned. We can operate our current DAC modules at up to 6 MHz for PCM and up to 50 MHz for DSD. Up to 8X DSD Mola Mola dac and the Total dac. DAVE stands for 'Digital to Analogue Veritas in Extremis', a moniker that best reflects the product's . turns out that with the Extreme USB slightly pulls ahead of the Ethernet with the Renderer, then adding the Pro USB there is now a significant step up over the Renderer. comes down to knowing what you are actually trying to achieve in a high end And thinking more about it, the differences at the time could have been small because the noise level in my system at the time of the comparison were relatively higher than they are now. Click to expand. It seems to me that manufacturers are jacking up the price for the perception of quality. More sharing . Over the air updates will ensure that your renderer always has the latest capabilities and ultimate convenience. Its an interesting setup with everything from design through to milling the chassis to building the circuit boards being done in-house. Click here to download your copy, At 11000 plus taxes as tested the Lampizator Big 7 is certainly no budget DAC, but does it deliver on sonic ability? retail client forgets that most audio stores and audio distribution companies Never use!! DLNA Protocol. Sent from my iPhone using Computer Audiophile. the Select II pushes the analog to be its best. However, to get this level of separation and detail within the soundscape the DAC is clearly having a very important role to play. 2 are upscalers , not upsamplers. The Dave as a DAC actually sounds decent. The headamp is powerful but not involving. Thanks guys! What did you think with the Chord Dave vs Emm Labs Dac2x? I'm looking for suggestions between $10K - $12K. Less experience with Dave on DSD, plus Rob claims to no longer decimate. Supported Formats (Depending on Input) 44.1 kHz to 3.072kHz PCM up to 32 bits 1xDSD, 2xDSD, 4xDSD, 8xDSD Accepts DSD via DoP on all inputs, Digital Inputs 1x RCA Coaxial 1x XLR 1x Word-Sync Out 2x Toslink 2x Isolated slots for optional modules, XLR Outputs Voltage: 3.57 Vrms Maximum Impedance 300 High Gain setting Impedance 150 Low Gain setting. as far as direct comparison with other dacs the closest Ive done is listening to the Select II at shows and then listening to other top dacs in other systems at shows. I found it big bold brash and dynamic but hard cold glary and fatiguing - all the old fashioned things I hated about early digital. In terms of sound quality, it's the best digital front end I . An FPGA does not have analog output, in the Chord DACs, the FPGA handles digital processing only, not conversion from digital to analog. Now, this is an important and quite a cool lesson in what is going on with the two PSUs. There are a lot of people that absolutely love the M-scaler. How hot does the Chord DAC get? You must log in or register to reply here. While it's an easy setup to wrangle at a show, it does seem like it wasn't doing either component any favours! Still, it's the way I prefer at this stage. Although I would like to keep this as close to $10-12K as possible. I've yet to see a system with direct connections eliminating the preamp which wasn't improved by a adding a good preamp back into the mix! list the Rockna Wavedream Edition sounds this good, how good does their I suppose that the vast majority of people who listen for pleasure at home are looking for a balance between the two, and whilst I still maintain we are most likely to hear the biggest effect in a system by changing transducers, every element in the chain of sound will affect the final sound and, in a digital system, I think the DAC you choose can have a huge effect on the final sound. Great Dac but for me a NOS DAC (Metrum Adagio) won the contest over all the others Dacs I have tried so far. Much appreciated. Unfortunately not, I'm going the second hand route as I've done with most of my setup. You could spend less and get close to the sound of this DAC, for sure. Id imagine that upscaling refers to increasing bit-depth (like from 16 to 24 bits) which adds "vertical" resolution to the waveform in theory, improving amplitude resolution making subtle low-level detail more natural and audible (among other things) if done correctly. The PM2 is very special. Would I pay extra for the second supply? Right now my favorite DACs in my system are the Pacific Microsonics Model 2 (for PCM), Phasure NOS1a (for PCM), Meridian Ultra (for MQA), and the Playback Designs MPS5 (for DSD128). I've also learned that a DAC's performance will depend heavily on the music player. the North American distributors for Rockna so I thought I would jump in on this And this level of detail the MSB Discrete brings to the listening experience was carried through everything I listened toand I listened to this DAC a lot, with it being the only thing I used to for a solid two weeks. Theres just a sense that with the MSB in the line that everything is timed correctly and rock solid. Actual auditioning of the unit prior to purchase is paramount. As I said, its an odd one to describe but you do hear it as it brings a sense of rightness to rhythm tracks. Once complete there are measurements and functional tests before the final products are inspected, cleaned, and packed up ready to be shipped, but not before a white glove inspection by either Jonathan or Daniel. As you pursue higher levels of playback, an MSB upgrade path is always available to help drive your own desire for innovation. It would have been a different outcome though with the Cyrus pre-amp I previously owned, which cast a veil over everything. The next module is the display which is a cool and easy-to-read LED that is slaved to the audio clock. The other issue is preference. I wanted to know for anyone who has heard it have you also heard a DAC that approached it in sonic performance? DAC Comparison Reference DAC Modules 4x Hybrid DAC Clock The Femto 33 Digital Inputs 4x User Replaceable Input Slots Optical and Coaxial input module Included Analog Outputs Preamp XLR Output Module - 150 Impedance RCA output available with external adapter Analog Inputs XLR Analog Expansion Modules RCA or XLR Input RCA or XLR Output The bottom line for me is that great DACs can make a difference over good DACs. I don't have that kind of money. This is disabled if you are outputting to a preamplifier. With two prime DACs, we yield an unprecedented level of detail, reproducing the musicality, soundstage, and texture of an original performance, bringing the artist to you. To be 100% honest we have A/B tested most of the dacs mentioned connection because it eliminates some parts and gets you closer to a direct heard, I could easily live with the Aeris, Dave, or Wavedream. I think is a good general rule of thumb, but there are some very transparent passive pre-amps out there. CH Precision C1 DAC. It is an unassuming but very nicely put together component that has had a great deal of thought put into the architecture of the parts that make it up. We used PCM (16/44,1 to 24/192) and DSD 64 and 128 for the comparioson. Fixed. But even with great preamps, a great DAC in a low noise environment, will produce a more transparent sound going direct to the amps than through the preamp. The MSB simply sounded more real to my ears and offered a more convincing soundstage and tonality and all the tiny informations in the music where integrated in the musical flow whereas the DAVE simply sounded flat and not realistic to my ears and even lacked those tiny informations. Never say never, but I reckon 99.9% of folk would get to the Discretes level of performance and not be able to justify another 110K to achieve, what I am guessing would be marginal gains though I have not experienced the Select and so cannot say for sure that this would be the case and it may be a total revelation is sonic engineering. 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