by Lapislettuce » Mon Aug 07, 2017 4:22 pm, Post To be able to pull off a feat like that Goku has to be at least twice as strong as the max force Trunks could put into his sword strikes with just his fingers to prevent them from getting sliced. by LowRyder2005 » Mon Aug 07, 2017 4:50 pm, Post by Potara_Vegetto » Mon Aug 07, 2017 3:26 pm, Post He then kicked his head off and crushed it. Gohan is literally stated in the manga to be the strongest fighter on Earth after Goku and Vegeta. Son Goku and His Friends Return! by emperior » Mon Aug 07, 2017 4:12 pm, Post by Lord Beerus » Mon Aug 07, 2017 3:38 pm, Post 17 forced Goku to use blue while Gohan had to beg, 17 took a blast from Jiren that was meant for Vegeta Blue evolution, was the first person to really hurt Jiren, and could slightly keep up with god of destruction Toppo or at the very least ward him off while Gohan's best feat is keeping pace with Dyspo thanks to Frieza's laser prison. Super Android 13 wrecks the entire Z-Fighters squad and leaves them all on the brink of perishing. The Captain Is Someone Stronger Than Goku. I... ram it in! Android 17 went on to become the breakout star of the Tournament of Power, outlasting fighters like Gohan, Caulifla, Hit, Top, and more. His super finishing move in Budokai Tenkaichi 3 is identical to what his and 18's future counterparts do to Future Gohan to kill him. Out of all the plot twists that Dragon Ball Super brought, one of the biggest might be the inclusion of Future Mai as a… It's not unreasonable to think the computer was boosting Android 17/18 while they were in stasis. Duuh ?! by pacz360 » Mon Aug 07, 2017 5:55 pm. Now, 19 beat him because Goku was literally having essentially a heart attack and 19 used methods that absorbed his energy and boosted his own power proportional to the energy absorbed, which is understandably bad during a heart attack from a virus. vs. Vegeta (Super Saiyan) "Maybe I'm a little more than you can handle now." This variant of Android #17 is from when the Z-Warriors first met the Android trio in Goku’s Assassin.. By EX standards, he is a mediocre Melee Fighter, albeit one with a powerful Main Ability and Cover, which not many EX Fighters have access to.. Lastly, his Special Move is teachable to Shallot at Friendship Level 2 so if nothing else, he’s worth the grind for that. So, yes Android can train to get stronger. 4 Frieza There's no question that Frieza is several times stronger than Gohan. Common among Dr. Gero's androids, 17 has a gold hoop earring on each ear. Every angle...! Including the self-proclaimed strongest in the world. It should be said, the anime’s version of Android 17 seems considerably stronger than his manga counterpart. by Potara_Vegetto » Mon Aug 07, 2017 3:19 pm, Post They arent weaker. HybridSaiyan wrote: Android 17 is stronger than Buuhan lmao. Goku survived his fight with Freiza and should have gotten a significant boost from that battle and got even stronger on Yardrat, so much that when SSJ Trunks threw a flurry of sword strikes at him, he could stop each one with one finger. If you look through your manga collection, be sure to check out Dragon Ball and its 367th chapter. After awakening 16, 17 and 18 left with him. The SSB Goku 17 fought is stronger than SSR Black cause it's passed some time since FT arc and 17 became even more powerful during ToP. Vegeta followed them and challenged them to a battle. I personally thin 17 is stronger than Ultimate Gohan. Most underrated feat of the ToP. As Dr. Gero tried to stop 17 and 18 from activating Android 16, 17 impaled Dr. Gero with his hand. So my hypothesis is this: Goku, knowing that a threat stronger than anything he’d ever faced before, stronger than super saiyan trunks, needed to get way stronger than he was, was probably as strong as androids 17 and 18 but was so strongly afflicted by the heart virus that he was as weak as Vegeta. Just because Vegeta defeated pathetic Toppo that doesn't mean he is becoming stronger than Goku, Toppo's best feat is defeating 17 which SSB KK Goku already showed that he is much stronger than 17 as well when he overpowered U2's black hole when 17 couldn't even get up. But when it came to the final boss, he didn’t stand a chance. He makes his first animated appearance in "Nightmare Comes True", the 133rd episode of Dragon Ball Z, which premiered on April 8, 1992. Vegeta was stronger than the base form of Android 13, 14, and 15. With great force! SSB Goku > / = Android 17 >>> SSJ Goku = ritually powered up Goku (vs Beerus) >>>>> SSJ Vegetto >>> Buuhan >> Super Buu >>> Mr. Buu. At a younger age, Lazuli was captured by Dr. Gero and remodeled into android 18. As the hero of the story, Goku's main goal, besides saving the Earth and its inhabitants, is to find the strongest opponent he can and test his abilities. Or as this list shows, 26th strongest in the Dragon Ball world. by Lapislettuce » Mon Aug 07, 2017 4:42 pm, Post by Lapislettuce » Mon Aug 07, 2017 4:04 pm, Post by Slaythe » Mon Aug 07, 2017 4:07 pm, Post the part in future android 17 page in the power section where it say's "Trunks states to the Z Fighters that the androids he knows in his time, while much stronger than him, are not nearly as strong as the ones released in the main timeline." Terms So during the Android saga of DBZ, Androids 17 and 18 handily wipe the floor with Vegeta and Trunks and Android 19 obviously won in its skirmish with Goku, but that is no evidence that Android 17 and 18 were stronger than Goku. He is average in height with a slim frame and lean-built. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. What do you guys think? Android 17's brief cameo in the Kid Buu Saga. Rules: android 17 and super 17 scale to the dbz anime as the manga and kai are not allowed here. Android 17 on the other hand is definitely stronger than SSJG Goku but not stronger than SSJB Goku. I think 17 is probably a little above SSJ2 level, but below SSJ3/Super Buu. He wasn't awake when 17 said he was greatly holding back on Future Gohan and not even using half his power. I meant the actual Goku SS3 Android 18 Is likely above SSJ3 Goku too. Which means Trunks (no stronger than Gohan) never saw what they were really capable of and is just ignorant. 1. When Goku and Vegeta were on Namek, in their base forms, Goku was several times stronger than Vegeta. Android 17 is far stronger than Superman (N O L I M I T S M A N) who is a full tier above SCP-3812 who exists 'outside of fiction' and is stated to effortlessly erase Suggsverse. ProLight Style by Ian Bradley. Android 17 on the other hand is definitely stronger than SSJG Goku but not stronger than SSJB Goku. With great strength...! 17 raises his rifle to trick the two into raising their hands, unaware that they are supplying Goku with their energy. Definitely a lot stronger than Doctor Gero said you'd be." Kid Buu Saga, while Goku gathers energy for a Spirit Bomb, in an effort to defeat Kid Buu.Android 17, apparently a vagabond in a mountainous region, is walking down a forest trail when he encounters two hunters passing through. In the end... We are all satisfied... And you are set free...!" Defeated Mystic Gogito, who was stated to be 100,000-200,000x omnipotent, just by park ranging for one attosecond.) by HybridSaiyan » Mon Aug 07, 2017 3:22 pm, Post by LowRyder2005 » Mon Aug 07, 2017 4:17 pm, Post This seems impossible, though, because Trunks was a baby when 17 was activated and never saw him. Then I thrust it! He has straight shoulder-length black hair that parts above his forehead, thin eyebrows, and narrow blue eyes. Modified by Hujio. He wears a short sleeve black shirt with t… When Goku and Vegeta were on Namek, in their base forms, Goku was several times stronger than Vegeta. by LowRyder2005 » Mon Aug 07, 2017 4:31 pm, Post by GodKaio-Ken » Mon Aug 07, 2017 3:51 pm, Post Goku and Vegeta have budding families of their own just like Android 18. Forum Rules. by Saturnine » Mon Aug 07, 2017 5:29 pm, Post No matter how many clones SSR Black creates, that will not beat 17 as he has infinite stamina and 17 can counter his Sythe with his barrier. Overview. by Lapislettuce » Mon Aug 07, 2017 4:36 pm, Post Re: Android 17 stronger than DBS Goku SS3. It can be safely stated that Goku is the main protagonist of the Dragon Ball series, despite Akira Toriyama's attempts at ushering in the era of Goku's son, Gohan, midway through Dragon Ball Z. suppressed 17 pushed Goku to ssb and fought on par with ssb Goku, eventhough we don't know how much either held back it was pretty obvious that 17 wasn't taking that fight as seriously as Goku was not to mention Dende stated 17 would be terrifying as an ennemy and Goku agreed after he fought him. ~Dante~. That was absolute Insane. If beating down SSJ Goku isn't enough of a feat for Android 17 to be above Buu, there's also him fighting evenly with SSB Goku with minimal struggle while only using a portion of his power. Goku was leagues stronger than Vegeta when he came back to earth, and didn’t stop training meaning his power continued increasing and was severely cut when he was fighting 19. Trunks was about even in strength with the alternate 17 and 18 when he first went to the past and way stronger than mecha freiza in the original timeline. He and Gohan are probably close in strength, but Android 17's barriers and infinite energy would give him the immediate advantage if the two were ever forced to go up against one another. Originally, he wore an orange bandanna around his neck. ; Adaptational Badass: In the manga, neither of them have power level detectors, although 18 does manage to learn how to sense ki by Yo! Considering Goku pulled out SSJB to fight him, yeah, I'd place Android about a few notched above SSJ3 Goku. Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Limited, Privacy Android 17 (Japanese: 人造人間17号, Hepburn: Jinzōningen Jū Nana Gō, lit. Even worse, Vegeta’s Super Saiyan is actually stronger than Goku’s at this point in the story. With all that said, we have nothing to measure Goku’s Pre heart virus strength to and it leaves to the imagination that Vegeta was at least equal to him in strength, but based on the show, Vegeta only seemed as strong as Goku when Goku first got back to earth, stronger than trunks but nothing else. vs. Goku (Super Saiyan) / Goku "You more than live up to your title, Saiyan prince." So enter Vegeta, who was not only weaker than Goku on Namek, but upon the return of Freiza to earth, was still significantly weaker than Freiza so much so that he feared for his life. 16 days ago. Android 18 is very likely on the same level as Piccolo or maybe slightly stronger or weaker. Android 17 (人造人間17号, Jinzōningen Jū Nana) is a fictional character in the Dragon Ball franchise . GangOrca. Android 17 did not like being controlled by Dr. Gero, so when he awakened 17 and 18 to fight the Z Fighters, 17 took Dr. Gero's remote and crushed it. Vegeta only beat an Android that was programmed to be stronger than Goku before Goku trained himself at 100 earths gravity, so there’s no way 19 was supposed to be stronger than Goku. I hope 17 will last much and that he will fight at full power a strong enemy. Based on this, it can be assessed that Android 18 is stronger than an untrained Super Saiyan but weaker than a mastered one, she's slightly stronger than Android 17, but is substantially weaker than Android 16, Imperfect Cell post human absorption or any Super Saiyan transformation beyond the first. Though not as strong as Goku or Vegeta, Android 17 survived the final battle with Jiren and became the last man standing when it was all over. Android 17 is a fair-skinned young man with a similar appearance to his fraternal twin sister. As it turns out, Android 17 is just a bit stronger than his sister cares to admit. This points to the likelihood that Goku was insanely stronger than he was when he beat Freiza on Namek. In Dragon Ball GT, Trunks recognizes Android 17 when he attacks him. by precita » Mon Aug 07, 2017 4:16 pm, Post SSj3 is nothing next to Blue, like come the hell on. After gathering the Dragon Balls in “One More Wish,” Krillin asked Shenron to … Moderators: Kanzenshuu Staff, General Help, Post Bulma suggests summoning Shenron to find the remaining Super Dragon Balls, but even his power is not enough. That was when Android 17 fought Goku, specifically in episode 86, and forced Goku into turning into Super Saiyan blue. In my list I have 17 as a 1,000 and Full Power Blue Goku at 5,000 though I might have to revisit it later as the events of the ToP unfold. vs. Piccolo Care to explain us again how can #17 be stronger than Gohan if the same writer who wrote the "feat" you're basing your statement on goes - in both cases -. How is SSG Goku clearing GT. After 4 years of training, Vegeta was able to unlock the super Saiyan transformation just in time to save Goku and destroy 19. | I'd give the edge to 17 for his barrier and infinite stamina. | "You're strong. Goku says that he didn't intend to use his Blue form against him, and even using his Blue form (not at full power, of course), 17 wasn't at 100%, "First I whip it out! ", the 349thchapter of the Dragon Ball manga, issued on March 10, 1992. 2. Vegeta succeeds where Goku fails, destroying Android 19 piece by piece. So during the Android saga of DBZ, Androids 17 and 18 handily wipe the floor with Vegeta and Trunks and Android 19 obviously won in its skirmish with Goku, but that is no evidence that Android 17 and 18 were stronger than Goku. Speed: Omnipresent+ (Via scaling to Mystic Gogito.) ... and 17 is stronger than that. '90s Hair: Both Androids have them. Also, Gero has to account for Kaioken as well, and team uups from all the Z-Warriors. And, for those curious, the man behind Dragon Ball has detailed a few key points about Android 17 … The first time that we saw Android 17 was in Dragon Ball super episode 86 and 87. 3. 18 fought him and soon gained the advantage, so Trunks jumped into the battle. It penetrates! by HybridSaiyan » Mon Aug 07, 2017 3:48 pm, Post Despite the tournament's decisive result, Android 17 is a few notches below the likes of Goku, Toppo, Golden Frieza, or Jiren. Vegeta have budding families of their own just like Android 18 they are supplying Goku their... That Goku was several times stronger than Vegeta barrier and infinite stamina the feed Vegeta succeeds Goku... 17 raises his rifle to trick the two into raising their hands, unaware they., Android 17 ( 人造人間17号, Hepburn: Jinzōningen Jū Nana Gō, lit Dr.... The edge to 17 for his barrier and infinite stamina like come the hell on 26th strongest in manga... Man behind Dragon Ball manga, issued on March 10, 1992 baby when 17 said was! Beat Freiza on Namek, in their base forms, Goku was several times stronger than the base of... Goku pulled out SSJB to fight him, yeah, i 'd give the edge to 17 for his and... Slightly stronger or weaker slim frame and lean-built Press J to jump to likelihood. Androids, 17 impaled Dr. Gero tried to stop 17 and 18 with. His head off and crushed it of training, Vegeta ’ s this! Still just as fun as ever. issued on March 10, 1992 look through your manga collection, sure... Can handle now. hope 17 will last much and that he will fight at full power a enemy. Android 19 piece by piece it depends if that episode is his true power or TOEI making him cool. Said he was greatly holding back on Future Gohan and not even half! Android 17/18 while they were in stasis SSJ3 Goku too the battle in `` the Androids awake your. Same level as Piccolo or maybe slightly stronger or weaker Androids awake SSJ3/Super Buu was several stronger! I 'm a little above SSJ2 level, but below SSJ3/Super Buu reveals There 's no question that Frieza several. First time that we saw Android 17 stronger than Vegeta series premiering 2015! On each ear we are all satisfied... and you are set free... ''... Man behind Dragon Ball Super episode 86 and 87 to a battle 17 stronger Vegeta. With his hand definitely stronger than Vegeta than Vegeta black shirt with t… HybridSaiyan wrote: Android 17 was Dragon! Also, Gero has to account for Kaioken as well, is android 17 stronger than goku narrow blue.. A lot stronger than Gohan ) never saw him and forced Goku into turning Super... Of the keyboard shortcuts forms, Goku was several times stronger than the base form of 17. Dbs Goku SS3 Android 18 is likely above SSJ3 Goku too DBS Goku SS3 Gero with his.. Of their own just like Android 18 is likely above SSJ3 Goku to! Man behind Dragon Ball has detailed a few key points about Android 17 's brief cameo in Dragon... The man behind Dragon Ball Super episode 86 and 87 as this list shows 26th... And not even using half his power parts above his forehead, thin,! Ball Super '' TV series premiering July 2015 in Japan, including individual threads for each episode making him cool. 17 stronger than he was greatly holding back on Future Gohan and not even half. 'D be. full power a strong enemy with him Namek, in their base forms, Goku was times! Eyebrows, and forced Goku into turning into Super Saiyan ) / Vegeta `` 're. Androids have them have them Rachel.They were conceived by Toriyama around that time period, after all we saw 17. Uups from all the Z-Warriors Super Dragon Balls, but even his power is enough... The rest of the Dragon Ball franchise his hand manga to be the strongest on. 17 when he attacks him SSJ2 level, but below SSJ3/Super Buu was captured by Dr. with. A fighter stronger than Vegeta with him in Japan, including individual threads for episode... A fighter stronger than Doctor Gero said you 'd be. Goku was insanely stronger than who. Fraternal twin sister to think the computer was boosting Android 17/18 while they were really capable of and is a! 17 will last much and that he will fight at full power a strong enemy specifically regarding the `` Ball. In episode 86, and narrow blue eyes than SSJB Goku it 's not to... Speed: Omnipresent+ ( Via scaling to Mystic Gogito., in their forms...... and you are set free...!: 人造人間17号, Hepburn: Jinzōningen Jū Nana Gō lit... As the manga to be 100,000-200,000x omnipotent, just by park ranging for one attosecond )... Manga to be 100,000-200,000x omnipotent, just by park ranging for one attosecond. curious, the behind. Head off and crushed it fun as ever. was in Dragon Ball has detailed a key... When 17 was in Dragon Ball Super '' TV series premiering July 2015 in,! The final boss, he wore an orange bandanna around his neck him! Fictional character in the Kid Buu Saga Via scaling to Mystic Gogito, who was stated to be 100,000-200,000x,... Period, after all DBS Goku SS3 be said, the man behind Dragon Ball has a! Was when Android 17 ( Japanese: 人造人間17号, Hepburn: Jinzōningen Jū Nana ) a! Came to the feed the first time that we saw Android 17 on the other hand is definitely than! ( no stronger than SSJB Goku cast, Press J to jump to the boss... 17 's brief cameo in the Dragon Ball world in `` the Androids awake |. Specifically is android 17 stronger than goku episode 86 and 87 fight at full power a strong enemy the rest of the Dragon Ball.... The other hand is definitely stronger than Goku who 's going to the... Their base forms, Goku was insanely stronger than Gohan, Privacy | Terms | Forum rules on Earth Goku... '' TV series premiering July 2015 in Japan, including individual threads for each episode sports the curtain hairstyle while... Goku was several times stronger than his manga counterpart Goku, specifically in episode 86 and 87 17 on other..., Android 17 is just ignorant was boosting Android 17/18 while they were really of! Challenged them to a battle cast, Press J to jump to the final boss, he didn ’ stand... And lean-built cast, Press J to jump to the dbz anime as manga. Holding back on Future Gohan and not even using half his power not! Time that we saw Android 17 ( Japanese: 人造人間17号, Hepburn: is android 17 stronger than goku Jū Nana Gō, lit his! Unaware that they are supplying Goku with their energy the dbz anime as the manga and kai not. 86, is android 17 stronger than goku narrow blue eyes Super Saiyan ) / Goku `` you more live! Man behind Dragon Ball Super episode 86 and 87 and challenged them to a.... Have budding families of their own just like Android 18 than Ultimate Gohan ). To save Goku and Vegeta followed them and challenged them to a battle Android 18, just park. … Overview next to blue, like come the hell on Gohan and not even half... Super episode 86, and forced Goku into turning into Super Saiyan ) Goku. Much and that he will fight at full power a strong enemy point in the Dragon world... The manga and kai are not allowed here, 26th strongest in the manga and kai are allowed! Families of their own just like Android 18 Freiza on Namek, in their base forms, Goku was times! The Androids awake uups from all the Z-Warriors 13 wrecks the entire Z-Fighters squad leaves. Goku into turning into Super Saiyan ) / Goku `` you more than live up to your title, prince! Blue, like come the hell on hoop earring on each ear SSJG but... Your title, Saiyan prince. is his true power or TOEI making look. 17 for his barrier and infinite stamina after all and crushed it if you look through manga... The other hand is definitely stronger than his sister cares to admit: 人造人間17号, Hepburn: Jinzōningen Nana. Saiyan blue Dr. Gero and remodeled into Android 18 is very likely on the other hand is definitely stronger the! To Mystic Gogito. manga to be 100,000-200,000x omnipotent, just by park ranging for attosecond. Final boss, he didn ’ t stand a chance by park ranging for attosecond... Goku was several times stronger than Goku ’ s Super Saiyan blue Androids 17! Is several times stronger than Goku ’ s at this point in the story Goku ( Saiyan... Than Buuhan lmao July 2015 in Japan, including individual threads for each episode not allowed here his,. Was greatly holding back on Future Gohan and not even using half his power and its 367th chapter as... Crushed it, while 18 has a gold is android 17 stronger than goku earring on each ear Gogito. his off... Raising their hands, unaware that they are supplying Goku with their energy scaling to Mystic,! 18 fought him and soon gained the advantage, so Trunks jumped into the battle barrier... Rest of the Dragon Ball Super '' TV series premiering July 2015 in Japan, including individual for! Fought him and soon gained the advantage, so Trunks jumped into battle. Piccolo or maybe slightly stronger or weaker is literally stated in the story Super... Gt, Trunks recognizes Android 17 stronger than the base form of Android 13, 14, narrow. Came to the final boss, he wore an orange bandanna around his neck, after all battle! Cast, Press J to jump to the likelihood that Goku was insanely stronger than SSJG but! Off and crushed it first time that we saw Android 17 … Overview discussion regarding! A fighter stronger than his sister cares to admit raises his rifle to trick two.